Paloma Elsesser, Liu Wen and Kai-Isaiah Jamal Get Candid On The State Of Diversity And Inclusion Within Modelling

Kai-Isaiah: Backsliding often happens when activism happens without the active leg work to accompany – it becomes a buzzword more than a movement. For me one of the biggest issues is that people want to appear as if they are doing the work without doing the uncomfortable unlearning and relearning which will create revolutionary change. I would like to see more marginalised people in top positions (CEOs, designers, creative directors) that can actually implement and create an inclusive community that is authentic and organic. Now, more than ever, we have seen that fashion cannot be and should never be “apolitical” – we are the people who hold power in the media. People consume so our platforms, voices and our choices are essential in encouraging others to engage in these matters.

Paloma: I would definitely agree that there has been a backslide. There is a majority of fashion people who want the old way. The fashion industry has historically hinged on the idea of exclusion and these very myopic experiences of luxury. That it can only be afforded to some, and is almost always outwardly afforded to those who are white, thin, affluent. While progress has been made, there are still challenges, and it’s important to address them proactively. It’s a collective effort that needs continuous commitment from everyone involved, and the onus is on those who believe that it matters. Because many don’t.

What is one major thing people overlook when it comes to diversity and inclusion more generally within fashion?

Kai-Isaiah: [Thinking] that we have arrived where we need to. The work has only just started and we have so far to go.

And finally, what would you like to be remembered for within fashion?

Liu: I don’t really wish to be remembered. In the end, everything I’ve worked on is the result of a creative team’s collaboration, and I’m only playing one role within it. I’d rather remain a canvas for others to leave their artistic marks on, because I have been formed by that process and I continue to transform. Modelling is my career, and when I leave the job, I’ll return to being a regular person again. Until that happens, I only wish to perform at my best, be courageous in my own creativity, and live a colourful life through it all.

Kai-Isaiah: My smile, my heart and my commitment to making others feel seen. Graciousness over greatness forever.

Paloma: I hope to be remembered as someone who made people think.

This conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity